Don’t trust your desperately wicked heart & other fundamentalist myths

I had an amazing conversation with another woman who is recovering from our shared fundamentalist background. One of the similarities we discussed was how we repressed our gut instincts.

After learning to repress our gut instincts for years and years, we still experience the fall-out from that in our current lives.

For example, we repress our gut instinct even if we are in physical danger. My friend related a story to me where she answered the door to a persistently knocking stranger. The guy was a quick-talker and supposedly in urgent need of help. He needed $100 that instant.

Now maybe most people would be able to see right through that. But for those of us who are recovering from abusive, legalistic churches–we have to unlearn the tendency to doubt ourselves. We know something is fishy, we know something isn't right…but we believe it might be wrong to refuse.

My friend eventually shut the door and locked it. Then she called the police. I was so proud of her and told her so.

In abusive churches, repressing your gut instinct is standard operating procedure. However, it is usually couched in Biblical language. Members are told never to trust their hearts because "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." (Jeremiah 17:9)

I can't tell you how many times I had that verse quoted to me during my childhood and early adult years. Even after I asked Jesus into my heart (for the 3,245th time), I truly believed my heart was desperately wicked.

The message was: don't trust yourself. But DO trust us. Loyalty to the collective, ie. never "speaking against God's work or servants," was valued above all else. Those who rose in the ranks were those who demonstrated unequivocal, zealous submission.

Indeed, one leader in our church once told me that I was never to ask questions unless I had first received permission to ask questions from my parents or husband. Because they were God for me.

As a result, I learned to routinely and repeatedly crush independent thought because following the rules was so much easier. And safer.

In fact, repressing one's gut instinct becomes a matter of survival in these groups. When you see something that you feel is terribly wrong, you learn to squelch that because you know if you speak up or start asking questions–you will be punished. And the perpetrator will go unquestioned.

This is how women and children are victimized in cult-like churches: they become so accustomed to surrendering their will and repressing their gut instinct that they will endure outright abuse because they believe it is God's will. Their belief in God's sovereignty extends to the point where they believe it would be sin for them to speak up/question God's will for them.

The thought process is: if God is in control, then He picked this situation for me. Therefore, I shouldn't ask why but should accept it as from His hand.

It takes time to learn to trust yourself. And it takes practice. The most effective way I know how to do this is by direct communication. I'm learning to be willing to offend the sensibilities of others if it means I can breakthrough to direct, honest communication.

It means that sometimes I will go too far. I'm willing to own that because I'd rather go too far than say nothing at all.

If I truly offend, I make haste to make it right. I rely on a small circle of intimate friends. I listen to their advice and I trust them to tell me when I've gone too far. I trust their perspective and/or life experience.

Most of all, I've learned to listen to my gut instinct. Slowly (verrrrry slowly) I'm learning to trust my own feelings (a BIG no-no in legalistic groups). I now know that if something feels wrong, it probably is.

God gave me the ability to feel. I don't have to be governed by my feelings–but I will never again ignore them.

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  • http://mandiesmumblings.blogspot.com mandie

    This is a hard one for me, too. I struggle with being too controling at times, and so,in an effort to show submission, I sometimes do not stand up for myself or for what I feel is right.

  • http://adventuresinmercy.wordpress.com molly

    OH.

    Wow.

    This is an AMAZING post and right on the money. In my case, it wasn’t an abusive church but an abusive husband (who happened to be in the ministry). YES, to all of it. The sick thing is that getting OUT of it involves trusting yourself enough to trust that you need to get out of it and that you CAN get out of it…but that very trust is eroded in the course of the years of being in the abusive system, making it so difficult to actually DO.

    I love this. I wince whenever I hear ‘worm theology’ preached or taught, and it’s for this very reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, mankind is not all peaches and cream, but on the flipside, we humans aren’t all evil, either.

    For those of us who are christians, we believe that Christ actually INDWELLS us, meaning that the very thing in the deepest core of us is HIM… All those years I spent shoving down the thoughts of that deepest core part of me, all in the name of obeying God, and turns out, it was probably Him I was shoving down all along… or just the wisdom He birhted me with, telling me that I was in a very bad situation…..only, I’d been taught NOT to listen to any voices that went against the voice of my “spiritual authority,” so I didn’t listen. :(

    PS. I think that the Boundaries book is important reading for anyone who’s come out of an abusive or “you’re just a worm” theological background. It helps us learn that it is right and good to have personal boundaries, that it is wrong for others to abuse our personal boundaries, etc. Think about some of the advice given to Christian wives—-the only boundaries they’re allowed to have are the ones their “head” allows them to have! We don’t even get to have boundaries over our own physical bodies, for crying out loud. The concept of personal boundares is a basic thing…. but those of us who grew up in abusive homes or were married to abusive people or spent time in cults or an abusive church, , need to learn such basic things…

  • http://www.elizabethesther.com Elizabeth Esther

    Molly: love the “you are a worm” point. I knew folks who really LEANED into the “saved a WRETCH like me” phrase of Amazing Grace! lol.

    I think the hardest part of this kind of theology was that even AFTER I had been saved, baptised and received Communion–I kept being referred to as a filthy, dirty, horrible, “totally depraved,” evil person.

    Ack!

    Yes, I read parts (not all) of the Boundaries book. It was nothing short of revolutionary.

    Thanks for sharing, Molleth.

  • http://becomingthekindofwomaniwantmydaughtertobe.wordpress.com Alisa

    I’ve been sorting through this as well, and actually am in the middle of writing a blog post that touches on it.

    I have to second and third the Boundaries book, and I need to go back and reread it, because lately I keep finding myself in situations where I’m being told what “reality” is, and I’m like “Really? That’s reality?” So, not wanting to be all down on them, I just reflect on it myself and the more that clarity dawns on me (as I let my instincts slowly turn up) I realize what a load of crap I’ve been fed. That person’s “reality” is just that: theirs, and not God’s.

    Over the past few months I’ve been slowly but surely sorting through all the crap I’ve been fed and holding it up to the Light to see how true it is or not, THEN trusting myself to be able to discern which, and also that I’m capable enough to handle it whichever way it requires. Exhausting, but thoroughly rewarding.

  • http://www.applepieforhomeschools.com Cassandra Frear

    This highlights a dilemma that should be discussed in all churches.

  • http://magicalrealist.blogspot.com Dana

    So so true. In addition to that verse, I remember being taught that whatever my initial response to a situation, it was probably wrong because “God’s ways are higher than our ways.” And add the teaching that you can’t “make an appeal” unless you are sure that your own motives are totally pure and that you haven’t done anything wrong to contribute.. and, well, you are paralyzed in self-doubt forever.

  • http://terrysoapbox.blogspot.com terry @ breathing grace

    You raised an important point, Elizabeth. That once Jesus comes into our hearts, it’s impossible for them to be “desperately wicked”. People who preach that are negating the power of the gospel.

    Further, the notion that God gave us brains not to use them is preposterous! I am sorry that you had to endure that. As much as it would be nice every now and then to live without thinking, it’s bad stewardship, lol.

  • Andrea M.

    Wow. I JUST went through this. I was told by some members of a church i was attending that I should leave the man that I am dating and planning to marry because he wasn’t “Godly” enough for me and when I decided that that wasnt right, these people whom i was very very close to told me that I was being decieved by my own desires and heart and that I was disobeying God and also disobeying their spiritual authority. They cut all contact with me and never talked to me again…saying that I was a “spiritual hinderence” in thier home. Worst part is, they are my boyfriends sister and aunt/uncle. So now the relationship between them is very strained. This was a penecostal church that believes that if you dont speak in tongues or have dreams and visions you arent filled with the holy spirit. I know exactly what this situation is…i just lived it.

  • lizzykristine

    I read your and Molly’s blogs regularly; sadly, I only comment every few decades….

    I’m frequently blown away by your backgrounds… terminology and teachings that sound similar to what I grew up familiar with, but in an entirely different context. Like the “wretch” thing is valid, but it isn’t a point to particularly dwell on, you know? It makes me think that the problem is not with the words, but with how they are used. If they are used to speak truth within the context of the big picture, well and good. But when they are used to enslave, oh how wrong and destructive.

    I love that God is as interested in knowing and indwelling women as in men. Jesus is the link between me and God. Any system that lines up life so thoroughly that I don’t need the guidance and fellowship of the Holy Spirit is a system that undermines the deep, personal relationships with God that Jesus died to enable. It is just so contrary to what God wants us to experience — the fullness of Himself! So subtle, but so binding….

    But I am refreshed by ladies like you — those who have been, well, ‘squashed’ in the name of God, and who have yet found Him through it all. That’s a marvelous, beautiful thing.

  • http://www.elizabethesther.com Elizabeth Esther

    Andrea: I’m so sorry you experienced something like that! Thank you for sharing your thoughts, here.

    Your experience is exactly why I’m sharing my own: because this kind of thing is happening on a larger scale and in bigger denominations, too.

    Thank you again for being brave enough to share.

    EE

  • http://www.usborneconnection.com Tressa

    Well, Ms. Elizabeth, you could replace “churches” with “family” or “parent” and it could be my childhood you are writing about.

    Please permit yourself to continue discovering (from your healthy perspective) your story and writing. It deserves to be told. To be shared. To be a witness to those in need.

  • http://www.sarahmarkley.com Sarah Markley

    I agree with Tressa, keep going, girl. your story is one to be told.

    remember, the small pool of writer/truth-tellers? you are one of the best!

  • http://quiveringdaughters.com Hillary@QuiveringDaughters

    This post title would actually be a really good title for your book!! Or some variant. Great post. I heard this many times myself.

  • http://jen5972.blogspot.com/ Jen W.

    Excellent post. It seems like you have overcome so much. I also grew up in a church that emphasized emphatically that our hearts were truly wicked. When you said the part about asking Jesus into your heart for the 3245th time, I could really relate to that. You seem to really see God as loving, despite how you grew up. How did you come to that point where you retaught yourself that God was loving? That may be too huge of a question to ask here, but that has been my biggest struggle. For years and years I was taught at church and every day at school (our church had a school) that God was a judging God who would basically kill you off without thinking twice about it if you sinned. I was terrified of Him. Now that I am older, and out of that kind of church, I am still trying to overcome that mentality. I am still trying to see Him as loving. I would love to know how you overcame the God mentality of your childhood.

  • http://www.priorityjesus.org Nick

    Hi Elizabeth,
    I’m a first time reading. Thank you for posting your thoughts. Sorry to see such negative life experiences in the church. It seems to be the norm unfortunately today. I see you have stated a misuse/abuse of Jeremiah 17:9. It is quite frustrating to see people say, “Don’t trust yourself, but DO trust us.” Point well made there. I am wondering, can you state for your readers the correct use of Jeremiah 17:9? It would be helpful to hear the correct usage of this passage articulated.

    I would really appreciate this, thanks,
    Nick, author of priorityjesus.org

  • http://georgienba.blogspot.com Georgie@Decisionally Challenged

    Wow just wow…I am speechless
    Thanks for sharing your story-yanno since I have started blogging and reading other blogs, it makes me realize what a somewhat shelthered young life i led and I wonder if that is coming over into my life now as a wife and parent…

  • http://clarity-chaos.blogspot.com Boy Crazy

    your story is fascinating to me. I’d love to read more about this experience of yours – unlearning what you were taught, learning to trust your instincts, listening for God’s true voice amidst the noise of it all…do you write about this often? (I’m new here.)

  • http://annafirtree.livejournal.com Anna

    Ezekiel 36:26 “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.”

    Ever heard of John Eldredge? In his book Waking the Dead, he goes on at some length about the goodness of the Christian heart. I’d recommend it for anyone who has been told their heart is desperately wicked.

  • http://www.suburbancorrespondent.blogspot.com suburbancorrespondent

    Wow – have you met Molly from Adventures in Mercy? I think you two have a lot in common!

  • http://www.roxanesalonen.blogspot.com Roxane B. Salonen

    Elizabeth, here from Saturday Evening Blog Post. Like others, I can see how this applies to so many backgrounds. My denial of feelings and missing red flags came through living in an alcoholic home. I feel like you — still sometimes questioning and doubting and testing that what I’m feeling is true. I’ve gotten much, much better, have grown so much in recent years, like you (yay for our growth). But, this was interesting to me in light of a loved one that I feel could be in this situation that you described. It’s interesting to hear it from the insight out, in particular in light of the fundamentalist mentality. I’ve had some glimpses of this mentality, and thankfully, I did know enough at the time to smell something funny. When I left those groups, I was looked upon suspiciously. I’m so glad I followed my gut then, but there were other times I missed the cues. All I can say is, again, thank God that we’ve broken through much of the delusion. I so appreciated this post! Jennifer from Conversion Diary nudged me here. :) Come visit me at Peace Garden Mama when you have a chance. Blessings…

  • http://www.roxanesalonen.blogspot.com Roxane B. Salonen

    That should be “inside” not “insight,” though it’s sort of an interesting typo. :)

  • http://familyteamof4.blogspot.com/ H-Mama

    holding everything to the light. love that.

  • http://www.smoochagator.com Smoochagator

    Hi Elizabeth! I found you via Jen at Conversion Diary, and boy, can I relate to where you’re coming from. I worked for several years in a fundamentalist cult-like church and yes, I learned to suppress my gut instincts and accept the group-think (actually, the leader’s think) wholly, to my own detriment. It’s hard to bounce back from that, but sloooowly, I am learning to trust myself (and God) again. Thank you for sharing this.