Why I can’t do small groups/ladies’ Bible studies

The twins were digging in the sand at the playground and I was standing nearby, sipping coffee. Behind me, two mothers were discussing a friend whose marriage was falling apart. 

I helped my twins fill their buckets as the women swapped stories about all the ways their friend had screwed up her marriage. 

I steadied the twins going down the mini-slide while the mommies agreed that "she was trying to keep him from leaving but it was too late." Even their husbands thought so. It was as simple as "connecting the dots."

I listened dispassionately, catching bits and pieces of their conversation as I played with my twins. I briefly wondered how the Woman Who Ruined Her Marriage would feel if she could hear her "friends" dissecting her failures like that. But then, something happened. 

"So, you know," one of the women chirped cheerfully, "just keep praying for them!"

That stopped me cold. Until that moment, I thought I was overhearing your typical, playground Mommy gossip. The realization that it was actually the Christianized version, Sharing Prayer Requests, made me feel sort of sick. 

Suddenly, I couldn't bear hearing another word. I started leading the twins to another area of the playground just as one of the women heaved a big sigh and asked her friend:  "So, did I tell you I'm speaking at the pastors wives' retreat?"

I felt an immediate, hot flush of anger. I restrained myself from whipping around and giving them a piece of my mind. YOU CALL YOURSELVES CHRISTIANS?! FOR SHAME!

I held my tongue, but the anger surprised me. It was like an Anger Ambush.

I was angry at whatever church thought this woman was spiritually mature enough to speak at a retreat, I was angry at their casual dismissal of another woman's tragedy, I was angry at the whole, tangled mess of Christianity.

In that moment, I was ashamed to call myself a Christian because it meant sharing a name with those people.

I marched the twins to another side of the playground and began vigorously digging in the sand with them. A few sand castles later, the anger had slipped away, leaving me feeling hollow and achey with a trembly sort of sadness. 

Because underneath the anger, there is pain. There is grief. That first, blazing instinct is self-protection–a lifting of the armor, a drawing of the sword. I have been so wounded by Christians that it is difficult not to see them as the enemy.

It is why even the smallest of "spiritual violations" make me wither up, withdraw, build higher, stronger walls around myself. And yet, although these walls keep me safe, they also keep out love. I can't lower my defenses. At least, not in a group setting.

This is why I'm no good at small groups or bunking up with ladies at a weekend Bible retreat. It's why I can't go to Christian writers' conferences or women's Bible Studies.

These groups are predicated upon the assumption that one will "share" during break-out sessions or during prayer time. I can fake it but I can't actually open myself up in any meaningful way.

I don't necessarily want to stay this way. I would like to be healed. But I'm just not ready for intimate church group settings. And I don't know if I ever will be. 

Perhaps healing begins by realizing that my judgment of those playground moms was probably a bit unfair. I guessed at their motives based on a few snippets of conversation. I projected my own hurtful experience onto them. 

I do think their manner of conversation was unkind but I also know that I am those people, too. I'm not better than they are. Not holier. 

And yet, I still dare to call myself a Christian. For shame.

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  • http://www.nicolewick.com @nicolewick

    This is a fantastic post. Love it! And can totally relate.

  • http://ifmeadowsspeak.blogspot.com/ Tammy@If Meadows Speak….

    Elizabeth, I truly believe you will be healed from the hurt of drawing close to others, in the likes of small group settings. For women, who relate to others relationally, gossip is definitely a flaming tongue we have to be diligent to keep in check. I don’t think my wounds may have as deep puncture marks as yours, but I have been so thinking about them this week. Hey, I’d be in your small group. You wouldn’t have to talk either, I’ll just give a big,fat hug and call it good. I probably have the gift of gab (in a good kind of way, not gossipy way) to make up for us both. :)

  • http://www.idelette.com idelette

    Love your honesty and your wrestling with this. It so is time for turning the tide. We need to be each other’s biggest cheerleaders, instead of reveling in each other’s mistakes and pains. Arrrg. See Psalm 68:11, if you haven’t yet. Thank you for sharing. So important.

  • http://www.bayoubelles.com Mama Belle

    Wow. What a great post. I’ve been there and still struggle with sharing with even my closest friends. The past of betrayal and hurt keeps that wall up. And, yikes … the nakedness when someone sees you when the wall goes down.

    Yeah, I’ve been there. (Did I mention I’m in women’s ministry? So hard.) Thanks for your honesty.

  • http://www.livinginthemystery.blogspot.com/ Michelle

    Thanks so much for sharing this Elizabeth. Sometimes I am like you, frustrated with those around me; sometimes I am like those women, caught up in gossip.

  • http://www.heidijowhatdoyouknow.blogspot.com Heidi Jo

    i help lead a women’s devotional study and what i love about the material i found is that it gives opportunity to reflect together, if we choose.
    but the focus is always reflection of ourselves alone with God. i so did not want to be leading a group where we come each week and in the disguise of growing together, we dumped all of our weekly garbage out to dig through together. that isn’t growing, that’s wallowing.
    the focus isn’t on all the crap we’ve struggled with and where we’ve been. it is always on where we are GOING.

  • http://www.minthegap.com MInTheGap

    It’s definitely easy to cross the line from concern to gossip– and to mix the two. I don’t think it’s just a problem for women either. We all mix our opinion into what we think about people and we all like ot know the full extent of what’s going on.

    Like the Scripture says, we’re to be building others up, not tearing them down.

  • Sandy

    my past is like yours…and what I can tell you is that all is in God’s timing…He has you hear these things so you will desire to be different..He has called you to be His unique ambassdor, to represent Him in way like no other. Guard your heart from bitterness but continue on your quest for Truth…our lives are our ministries and the paths God put me in I would have never known had I not waited for His timeing…you are on your way sista…it’s a marathon…we are going to be here awhile :)

  • ArdenLynn

    I don’t see it as a failing to not want to be a part of what passes for ministry. The last ladies class I went to, a few women monopolized the time with crying and “sharing” and you had to wait in line to get a hug before they would let you leave. The only thing that class left me was wanting a shower as soon as I got home.
    I actually thought the women that accepted this and enjoyed the class were the ones with the problem.

  • Lene

    As a Christian who struggles with the sin of gossip, thank you for the reminder to guard my tongue carefully. I’m also very grateful for God’s grace. I’m sorry you had to overhear that.

  • http://jenngrant.blogspot.com jenn grant

    sigh!! we need to talk! :)

    i had some things happen this week that made me swear off going to church and attending ‘small group’ Bible study!

    i think i told you about the one im attending now. we will just say, after this session, I AM DONE!!!!

    can’t do it anymore.

    its been a long week for me in this regard and i feel so lost about the whole thing!!

    there seems to be a huge disconnect between what I read in the scriptures sometimes and what i see and hear happening in the church. how is that even possible?!

    keep praying for me dear friend! :) lets catch up soon!
    love ya

  • Annette

    I just read this today: “We should not forget that our Redeemer does not come to the healthy ones but rather to the sick, to those who need a physician.” (from God Alone Suffices). So being a Christian does not mean to grow in perfection to the point we no longer need God, but to grow in holiness, that is, growing in recognizing how much we need Christ. Calling myself a Christian does not assume I am better than anyone. It reveals my need for Christ and His grace. I have come to discover that when faced with an awareness of others’ weaknesses, I can turn it around and ask God, “What are you trying to say to ME through all this?
    If not for Your grace, I would be the same, or worse.” I can use it as a chance to grow in humility, which then makes room for God in my soul.
    I facilitate a small faith sharing group in our Catholic parish, and it’s different than the standard group. We can only share from the “I” (meaning, how is God speaking to me?) And the next person does not share until the person sharing is finished. This helps avoid people dominating, or the group heading toward a debate or discussion. It gives those who tend to be quiet a chance to share, too. It is truly faith sharing and people have to reflect on how God is working in their own lives. We do not discuss others’ problems..etc. What a difference from groups I’ve been in in the past.
    I appreciate your honesty and vulnerability in your posts…I’ve been reading them for awhile now (ever since my sister had twins, following 3 other children, too!).

  • http://heart-and-home.net Ashleigh (Heart and Home)

    I have a hard time when people tell me they’re praying for me. I have a hard time telling people I’m praying for them. It has something to do with sincerity (or lack of it) and the fact that saying you’re praying for someone often means doing so much that does not include praying. So I definitely get what you’re saying. I know I’m jaded, and I wish that coldness away, but once a basic trust in people has been shattered, it’s hard to rebuild it. The people don’t usually know I’ve been hurt, and people in general just aren’t always trustworthy. Sigh…

  • http://www.livinginagirlsworld.com Kirsten

    I really like this post. My concern is that if this information was shared in a private, respected space that was supposed to be confidential and private and not to be discussed passed that moment unless initiated by the person who’s story it is, then what they were doing was wrong – plain and simple. Gossip is a different avenue entirely, IMHO. I know that I would be embarrassed, and frankly betrayed, to know people I had confided in were talking to each other about me and discussing what I did wrong. That doesn’t help anyone move forward. And I say these things from a Catholic Christian perspective and is angered when I see a lot of self-proclaimed Christians saying and doing very un-Christian-like things.

  • http://papuagirlindallas.blogspot.com/ Kacie

    Oh, I struggle with this one. I have a desire to know people – that is good in the sense that I love to build friendships and relationships, and have been blessed with beautiful intimacy. It also means I struggle with gossip. It’s hard for me to recognize when something is not something I need to know, and privacy is very important to some people.

    Right now I have friends struggling in their marriage. I am right beside my friend, attempting to walk with her under the load. That means sharing sometimes in the despair. And… when I feel that despair, how do I appropriately reach out to my own friends to get their support for me…. without inappropriately sharing something that is very private?

  • http://www.elizabethesther.com Elizabeth Esther

    I’m really enjoying the comments, here. It seems like a few of us struggle with small groups and/or what constitutes gossip.

    I don’t have a problem discussing private matters one-on-one with a trusted, personal friend. I don’t believe that constitutes gossip. I also don’t think information sharing is gossip. To me, gossip is talking trash, spreading rumors, sharing false information or generally tearing people down behind their back–especially if the gossiper is not part of the problem or the solution. The gossip I heard on the playground was definitively unkind talk–and in my estimation, gossip.

    This is a tough one, though. I’m open to other definitions/thoughts. Thanks to everyone for chiming in. Keep it up.

  • Charis

    The humility is so refreshing… and why we love you. <3

  • Paula

    I so get this I’m terrified when it comes to Small Group settings. It’s the sharing and praying that I just can’t come to grips with. I love to talk to God I can talk to him all day long but in a setting where I’m expected to pray aloud and share aloud. Yikes…
    We belonged to a church where Gossip became so widespread in became difficult not to get caught up in it. The leadership was as caught up in it as anyone. Makes it hard to trust again.

  • http://cajoh.blogspot.com Christopher (AKA: CaJoh)

    Sometimes it makes you wonder if the small groups are there for the hypocrites who like to show off their reverence for all to see.

    I hate the rumor mill. I never want to be involved in it and I try not to get into any conversation that seems to have it. I try to give people respect and want to offer any assistance I can. If I cannot offer assistance, or do not know how to assist I turn to prayer to give me guidance.

    Thank you for sharing, it gets us all thinking and pondering.

  • http://thinkinggrounds.blogspot.com Christian H aka English Clergyman

    And yet, you blog… opening up to more people than could fit in the largest church. It’s funny how we lose our inhibitions a little on-line, sharing what we feel we shouldn’t, exposing ourselves more than usual.

  • http://www.elizabethesther.com Elizabeth Esther

    Christian: LOL! Good point! Well, here’s the thing: I’ve always been able to process my thoughts better in writing than through conversation. When I write my blog I’m not thinking about some big ol’ audience. I’m just writing from my heart. Maybe this is how some people share–we write instead of speak. :) Thank you for your thoughts.
    EE

  • Tressa

    A friend once suggested that when I hear gossip in the guise of “caring,” that I might consider saying, “Hmm, sounds like you’ve got real concerns for so and so, you should go to her and offer your time and prayer.” Then, politely change the subject. Eventually, they’ll either catch on that they are being less than sincere or stop including you in their gossip fest.

    I know that doesn’t apply to your specific situation in the park. Walking away, like you chose to do, was probably the best thing to do.

    I’ve not been in your shoes, Elizabeth, with your history. For me, tho, small groups and bible studies used to be scarey places where I felt like an outsider looking in. PLUS, I was leary of those situations you overheard. For a long time, I “threw out the baby with the bath water” and gave up on being a part of a bible study/small group. They were all fake anyway, right?

    After longing for a connection with those that believe in Christ and truely want to learn God’s word, I’ve been able to find a small bible study that has a fair mix of sincere fellowship and God’s word WITHOUT the gossip. A blessing to be sure.

    THank you, for sharing your thoughts.

  • Carolyne

    “So, you know,” one of the women chirped cheerfully, “just keep praying for them!”
    ***************************
    When it was for her *own* self-centeredness and backbiting tongue she should be praying. God IS grieved and our witness IS maligned everyday by these kind of modern day Pharisees.
    Didn’t Jesus call those kind “white washed sepulchres”?

    Matthew 23:27
    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean.”

  • Christine

    I am a new reader here and SO glad I found you…though I couldn’t, to save my life tell you how =)

    In my current situation…I would be the one that they are gossiping about…and yes it is gossiping. I couldn’t begin to tell you what I have gone through these past 5 years with “Christians”. I come from a very similar background as you though not as severe.

    I could go on and on about gossip from women that I thought were my friends and how it has come back to me and broken my heart again and again. My scope of friends is down to…one… literally and even at that…she talks as well so I don’t tell her much. She also makes me laugh and laugh so that is why she “survived” my purging.

    Anyway…to make this short…I have almost become proud by how much I feel I have learned from going through this and being the brunt of so much gossip…I have to be so careful of the knowledge I feel I’ve gained. I am just so, so careful about judging…about gossiping…oh there are truly two sides to EVERY. SINGLE. STORY. (I wonder what those gossipers stories are.)

    Thank the Lord…and I do not say that lightly…for blogging and the new world of “friends” it has opened up for me! Yours is the first blog I have felt brave enough to comment on though=)I am enjoying it so much and I’m learning so much! Oh the perspective I have gained! Yay!

    When my marriage fell apart 5 years ago I read somewhere that a miracle can simply be a change in perspective. Oh how I prayed for a miracle for my marriage! My marriage is no more, but my perspective has changed and that is a miracle! Compassion…what a beautiful thing!

    Bravo to you for your blog and how well you are able to communicate! I am glad to “connect” even in this small way and will be reading daily!

  • anonymous

    Christine, what a beautiful comment! I love what you wrote about a miracle can simply be a change in perspective. I needed to hear that.

  • Jess

    Dear Elizabeth,
    I am passionate about being real. It is the quality I value most in my friends…and I want to start by thanking you for your realness here in this blog. What I want to say in response to this post (which has been on my mind since I read it last night) is that although you may not feel like a small group or a ladies Bible study is the right place for you right now (and that is totally fine…that is being real…), please don’t write them off completely, forever. Here’s why.
    1.) We were made for community. This is God’s plan. There is so much evidence in scripture on this point and is a huge part of God’s design for the Church. We are all a mess…we all say things we shouldn’t, we all do things we shouldn’t (and I love how you end your post so humbly recognizing this). But if our response to this messiness is to run and hide, how will it ever change? Which leads me to the next point…
    2. You could bring so much to a small group of people. Don’t underestimate how the Holy Spirit can use you to change, lives, minds, and hearts (as He is already doing on your blog) and being used for His Glory in this way is worth all the “messiness” that we encounter when our lives collide and overlap and intermingle in this great thing called the Church. We are called to love each other well, as Christ loved us.

    Now this doesn’t mean you should sign up for the next Beth Moore study you see, you must pray and ask God to lead you to a group of women who really will love you, who will let you be quiet if you don’t feel like sharing, or who will let you talk the entire time if you feel you must. A group of Christians who pray for you…REALLY pray for you, and care about your heart, your family, your past, your needs, your marriage, your mothering, your soul.

    I would LOVE to be in a Bible study with you…why? Well going back to my first comment…you are real. And that would mean the world to me.

    Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I pray that God would bring healing, and would open a door to a new perspective in this area.

    In all realness,
    Jess

  • keith

    Although I read your blog and love it,I never thought I would comment. Oh well…The “christian”-”more christian”-”less christian” is the part that pulled me in. This is a problem I had with becoming a christian. I never thought I was worthy of Gods grace. But christians do sin, some more than others.And thats what these ladies seemed to be doing. The problem is when you don’t know you are sinning and don’t ask to be forgivin. But I get your point and I often have reason to say to myself “you call yourself a christian” And I’m out on small groups also

  • http://thejcrew-kj.blogspot.com/ kathy

    I struggle with this as well. I’m a big city transplant to a small town so it’s a whole new ball game. Coming from a fundamental background to this has been eye opening. The norms are different. Where as in the church I grew up in, people would gossip about those who were less than ‘holy,’ here the standard isn’t ‘holy,’ it’s a bizarre community hierarchy. One can be shady and get a ‘pass’ from slander {within the church} as long as they serve in the church {yep} and or bring a mean dish to pot luck.
    It’s crazy. I’m in Hillbilly purgatory.

    I drive to meet a couple of friends in the city. That’s my ‘small group.’ :)

    Truly appreciate your honesty and transparency.

  • Erica Hastings

    You are too hard on yourself! I could never recover from what you have been through! You are a great mom, wife, and writer…..an inspiration!

  • http://www.nmwally.wordpress.com Nikki

    Ah, this post was a breath of fresh air. I’ve got some hang ups with small groups and such. Yes I do.

    And I struggle with gossip. Yes I do.

    Gossip is such a big issue with a lot of women’s study groups! I have noticed this as well. It’s SO easy to let it just creep in, especially during prayer time! I am thankful that my neighborhood women’s study group has been very intentional about not gossiping. It can be a fine line to draw sometimes but hey, we’re trying.

    I recently joined a local BSF (Bible Study Fellowship) group. There’s a lot I LOVE about it (and a few things I’m not crazy about but am choosing to live with. :) ) One thing I love about it, however, is the way prayer requests are shared. You simply share your request with the leader beforehand and it gets included on a list that gets handed out to all group members. That way we still know how to pray for one another but the “not sharing requests during group time” REALLY helps curb the whole gossip thing.

  • Marlaine

    I’m a Bible study drop-out. There. I’ve said it. I quit the few I tried. I would try it because I love the idea of being in a small group, but, I never did love the reality of actually being there. So I gave up trying Bible studies about a decade ago. God works with how we’re wired. If I happen to feel the footprint of the Holy Spirit between my shoulder blades, compelling me to join a Bible study, that’s when I’ll try it again, NOT before. If and when YOU are supposed to be in a group, God will let you know.

  • http://365daysinthisbeautifullife.wordpress.com/ 365beautifulife

    Boy do I get this. But I now prefer the company of atheists.. or at least agnostics.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/daniella721 Daniella721

    Are you spying on my feelings? I think you are. Just yesterday I told my husband that this is the exact reason why I don’t do large groups of women…or bible studies…or retreats…you name it. No one hurt me more during college years than people at church; I could probably write a series of books as large as the Twilight saga, filling them with all sorts of stories about it. But I have a God Who redeems and that’s all that counts.

    Just found your blog and digging in.

  • anonymous

    I know what you mean about the judgemental small groups. I was sorta in one, and I really didn’t like going. When the sharing time came, I gave “surface” prayer requests, safe ones like “that I would spend more time in the Bible and in prayer”, but I never felt like I could really share what was actually going on, the things I was really struggling with. That’s partially due to my natural tendency to be ultra private (ha, as I write anonymously. See what I mean?), but partially due to the wrong environment in the group.

    But that was one experience. The next small group was so much better, so much different. The leaders were truly real with us, they were totally honest about everything they had gone through and were going through, and that led to a closer bond with the group and the feeling that you wouldn’t be judged if you really opened up. Because everyone has issues, and it’s kind of surprising and freeing to realize that people struggle like you, that everyone isn’t a perfect Christian like it sometimes seems.

    It was refreshing. I never felt like they were going to judge me or gossip about my problems, because they were sharing their own personal problems too.

    Like you said, getting things out in the open can be helpful for healing, and it’s also great to have friends to pray for you and the specific things you’re going through.

    So, I guess I’m just writing to say that although small groups and certain gatherings can get a bad rap, there are actually good ones out there, with people who truly do care about you and want to know you, and not just so that they can gossip about you. Maybe those small groups are hard to find. Maybe you just have to get lucky (or should I say blessed?). :)

  • http://www.madamerubies.com Heather

    Gossip in the guise of prayer was my first experience of small groups as well. I praise God that He since lead me to group after group that is exactly where I need to be. Not that the women I meet with are perfect, but that the spirit of gossip does not reign. This is something I prayed over for a long time and had to be slowly won back to a group. Then, that was the ONLY group I would attend for a long time. Since coming to this church, I have been blessed my multiple journey groups (as we cal them).