Life as a fundie pastor’s kid

Despite the loud claims that our fundamentalist church didn't have a centralized authority structure like the "worldly churches," there was definitely a highly specified hierarchy. It was kinda like the Jacob's ladder to holiness. The closer you were to the top, the more "spiritual" you were. And my family was at the top.

This was because my Dad and my grandfather were both pastors. You could say that preaching was the family business. 

It might have looked like a glamorous life to outsiders: all those life-transforming sermons and cross-country preaching tours. I've had friends tell me there was a sort of "princess" aspect to my childhood and I can see that. People were always volunteering to cook, clean and babysit for my family since we had so little time for anything but "the work of the Lord." Other people cleaned our toilets because it was a privilege to "serve the Lord" in our communal home.

But being a "holy princess" came with its own set of difficulties–especially since I lived inside a high-demand, borderline cult Christian group.  I shouldered a heavy weight of expectations and also, what was for me, a distinctly uncomfortable public life. When eager new converts asked me what it was like to the daughter and grand-daughter of such noble men of God, I didn't know how to answer. To me, they weren't glorious orators so much as bombastic personalities who cracked good jokes at the dinner table and had stinky feet.

I loved being a pastor's daughter and I also hated it. There were rich times of honest, deep fellowship, especially during family dinners together. But there was also the heavy burden of needing to "uphold the testimony," which was just a fancy way of saying "keeping up appearances." I spent a good deal of my childhood smiling when I was sad and exhibiting cheerful obedience in spite of a breaking heart.

As pastor's kids, we were expected to be ready with verses to recite, testimonies to share or hours to spend serving others. We needed to look good because, well, when boiled down to its primitive motivation–that's what people's tithes paid us to do.

If my family didn't produce a valuable product (ie. holy children and a Godly legacy), who would invest in our "spiritual stock"?

I remember when it finally registered in my child-brain that the money being put in the "Lord's Treasury" was buying food for me to eat and clothes for me to wear. The older I got, the more I felt a growing sense of mortification and guilt anytime I got a new outfit or ate out at a restaurant. 

All of which to say, it was tough work being "spiritual" before I even knew how to spell that word. (Ah, to experience the simple, plebian joy of being the daughter of a butcher, a baker, a candlestick maker!)

Oh, well. At least I was well-trained and had my pastor's daughter routine polished to a shine.

By age 5 I knew how to share my testimony with any heathen I might encounter at, say, the playground. By age 10 I could open-air preach the Gospel in 1 minute. Damnation to salvation in 60 seconds flat. But by the time I was a teenager, the pressure of always having to perform was catching up to me. There was never a chance to discover who I was since from the time I was born I had been told who I was and who I was expected to be. 

I was a miserable, panicky hypocrite. And an insufferable drama queen.

I mean, most teenage girls are prone to melodramatic seizures. Imagine mine with the added bonus of being able to out-exegete any poor soul who dared question whether or not dating was Biblical. It like SO wasn't! Duh! And then I'd turn around and try to convince my parents that the boy who'd invited me to the movies wasn't asking me out on a date-date. It was more like hanging out

See, this is what happens when you kiss dating goodbye long before you've even had your first kiss. You go screwy in the brain. Or you become a professional Pharisee.

Even though I often dreamed about escape, we were taught that leaving our church was equal to leaving God. For me, leaving our church also meant leaving my family. And for how sick and crazy we were, I just couldn't imagine leaving them. Especially my mother and sister whom, despite the insanity, I genuinely loved and was genuinely loved in return.

I don't know if other pastor's kids felt this way but the stress of needing to live a holy life (to please God) plus the stress of needing to look like I was living a holy life (to please others and make the ministry look good) was exhausting. I got sick all the time. For awhile, nobody could figure out what was wrong with me.

I was carted off to all sorts of doctors, herbalists, nutritionists and some holistic healer who listened to me breathe over the phone. Everyone had a different solution. I was placed on a restrictive, dairy-free diet. I didn't eat processed foods. Once I went on a five-day water fast where I lost so much weight that I couldn't stand up on my own.

Not one doctor ever asked if I was living in a high-stress environment. No-one said the words "panic attack." And anyway, we didn't believe in that stuff.

I realize my experience is way off the charts in comparison to the average PK's life. But still, I wonder if the broader Christian community appreciates the emotional and spiritual cost of being a pastor's kid. I mean, since most evangelical, Protestant churches are organized like a traditional business model with the leading influence of one person (ie. the senior pastor/CEO), it's been my observation that the pastor's children often get the leftovers of their father's time and attention.

This is because church ministry as we know it today is pretty much a 24/7 job. You work weekends and make midnight dashes to the hospital to visit the dying. You write books and travel around the country on speaking engagements. There are late-night board meetings, prayer meetings and counseling sessions. 

I often wonder if PKs feel like their parents love God more than their children. 

To an adult it might seem all holy and spiritual to PUT GOD FIRST. To me, that seems like a spiritualized excuse for neglecting your familial obligations.

[SIDEBAR: for all the naysaying against priestly celibacy, I actually see the celibacy requirement as pro-family and pro-child since it frees the married men to be devoted husbands and fathers. The priest is also freed to serve his congregation with undivided attention. In other words, nobody neglects their children to serve God. Just a thought from my obviously biased perspective. :) ]

One of the strangest things about being a PK in a hard-core church was how often we impressed other Christians. Whenever I met other Christians, they only seemed to notice how devoted and on fire for God I was (at least, until they saw me start to shake with an out-of-the-blue panic attack). Sometimes they said they wished their church was as "alive" as mine.

I have a theory that if concerned people observed the children (and overwhelmed mothers) living in these groups, they'd gain a different perspective than they would by listening to the pastor's sermon. 

Instead, it seems like American Christians are particularly vulnerable to the seduction of what I like to call: Bigger, Holier, More-Radical-Than-You Christianity! 

They just don't see that zealotry is often the white-wash covering a tomb.

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  • KatR

    I was a live in nanny for a minister and his wife for four years. His wife had fibromyalgia and was a perfectionist who was frustrated that she wasn’t well much of the time. I had a full time job on top of that. I remember once he was away, she was in the hospital with appendicitis. I was trying to work and take care of the kids, and I got a lecture from one of the elder’s wives when she returned home because she was displeased that I had neglected to wash the throw rugs. Fun times.

  • http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com terry@breathing grace

    Again, I am enlightened. I am a memebr of the church where all 3 of the PK’s had a kid out of wedlock. They were all over 21, and it was their choice to do what they did. The Pastor’s response: grieved for their sin, but acknowledgment that it is their sin, and he and his wife did their best to raise them in a godly way. He even admits that they didn’t have enough of his time and attention during the early years when he was engrossed in ministry.

    No one looked at him as if was a failure as a father, though I’m sure in more fundie churches it would have been asserted that he violates the Biblical standards of a minister, and all that. If the young women wouldn’t have been allowed to leave home, maybe it wouldn’t have happened. You know the script.

    I, on the other hand was not a PK and was treated to great, big, heaping doses of familial disappointment and ridicule and for my transgression, even though I was promptly married to my partner in fornication.

    See? The human experience is universal, crossing denominational lines.

  • http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com terry@breathing grace

    Can I add that I see very little “radical holiness” in any corner of American Christianity? I should add that there is a compassion deficit as well.

    I think I must be an alien in this corner of the blogosphere.

  • Rhonda

    I also grew up as a PK and both of my grandfathers were preachers. I was very blessed to have not grown up with what you described. I have seen it though. My dad has always taught (and lived) that serving God meant obeying Him and that applies, of course, to properly caring for your family. My dad had a good role model for this. His dad was an evangelist until it was time for my dad (the oldest child) to start school, and my grandpa took a pastorate so he could be home while my dad went to school and not traveling all over the place.
    My dad was an evangelist for several years before I was born. My parents started homeschooling for the same reason my grandpa left evangelism; so my dad wouldn’t have to leave his wife and kids behind. 28 years later their youngest child just graduated this spring.
    I am just saying all this to say that there are still some pastors out there who do put God first (anything else is idolatry) by fulfilling the responsibilities that God has given them and in the proper order.
    Sadly, what you have described is ALL TOO COMMON! I have seen it my whole life and am seeing the results now as an adult. Some of the PKs I grew up with are so off the wall now it makes me want to cry. No, I am not talking they started going to a church of a different denomination. I mean things like becoming lesbians…

  • http://tw-us.blogspot.com Mary

    That sounds horrible, Elizabeth. As you know, my husband is a pastor, and after we got out of cult-like churches, he now pastors mainline denominational churches in rural areas that can’t get or afford a pastor (we have a retirement). The churches are little, under 50 people, so there has always been plenty of family time.

    It is a relief to be in churches like this, and for the most part, nobody has expected us to live up to some unattainable super-human level (mostly, they ignore us, which is another sad story, because everybody is related and has lived together all of their lives and doesn’t know what to do with strangers like us).

    I have felt pressured to be perfect and super-human, but I put these expectations on myself, because when I was not-a-pastor’s-wife, I expected the pastoral family to be perfect. Well, I’ve been humbled, now. We are not perfect. I still feel unworthy, though, especially around those Christians (many of them on blogs) who DO a lot of stuff that I don’t/didn’t (the homeschool lineup) and use that lineup to intimidate other Christians. I’m beginning to get wise to them. This is just bullying to gain a position of authority so as to control.

    I know what you mean, Elizabeth, at feeling guilty if I bought a new dress (and the women always eye me up and down). You know…the fear that they’re thinking: “We throw the money in the offering plate, she goes out and buys a new dress with it”. I don’t know if they think that or not. I have an over-active imagination.

    A neighbor, however, to whom I was confessing this, reminded me that the church income was not the only income we have (I was working a part-time job, and we have a retirement). So, I felt better, but I needn’t have felt bad in the first place.

    Our children have felt some pressure (“You shouldn’t do that…you’re the PASTOR’S kids!), and my older son really resented it; the younger one is easy-going, however, once, some neighborhood kids surrounded him chanting, “Just say sh*t once — just ONCE! Just SAY it!” He wouldn’t.

    I agree with Terry — there is a compassion deficit in many Christian circles, especially, of course, the Pharisaical ones. I hear it all the time: Christians should never suffer from emotional/mental/spiritual disturbances, etc. This is simply not true. We suffer, too; why else did Paul admonish us to bear one another’s burdens?

  • maddie

    I’m a PK, and was my whole life, (I’m 41 now) so never knew anything else. I think I loved it. We were in a small, country church w/ my dad being the only pastor in our community. My parents are and always have been sincere in their faith. Neither grew up in christian homes.

    At times we came across lots of families that were as you described,(sometimes the kids were not allowed to play w/ us because I suspect we weren’t spiritual enough!) but then lots of others had truly loving relationships with each other and the LORD. I think that’s what it has to come down to…am I in a real relationship w/ Him?…and if so grace and mercy are first essentials, not rules and appearance. We are saved because we are needful not because we’ve arrived.

  • http://www.elizabethesther.com Elizabeth Esther

    Terry: interesting. Can we say that maybe there is a difference between the appearance of “radical holiness” and actual radical holiness? I have seen both. It’s interesting that you mention compassion. For me, it seems like true, radical holiness has a lot more to do with compassion and gentleness than it does with other visible signs like multi-million dollar buildings, bestselling books or packed out stadiums. Just a thought….and Terry, I LOVE your comments. You are always welcome to leave as many as you want, as often as you want! :)

  • http://www.thejoyofhome.blogspot.com Dianna

    I didn’t grow up as a pastor’s kid (far from it), but I did marry a pastor and so I know what it is like to have all these expectations of yourself. But I am quick to let others know that I am sinner, just like them, and will disappoint them and sin again them, so don’t expect perfection from me. My husband also is quick to tell people that he is a sinner and he will sin against them. Our children are still very young (almost 3 and 13 months) and so they have no idea what my husband does. But my husband makes time for his family and he has to work hard to do that b/c the church can be so demanding, but the Lord will hold Him accountable for being a father to his sons as well as leading the church. My biggest fear is not that my boys will grow up thinking they are special or need to be perfect because their daddy is the pastor, but that they will hear the insults that people throw at the pastor. By far the hardest part of being a pastor’s wife for me is knowing how people can say such mean and untrue things about my husband and I still have to be so nice to them and act like I don’t know.

    And Elizabeth, I’m sorry if I have been insensitive in my comments before. When I saw your video about the book Quivering Daughters, I realized that you grew up in something I can’t even fathom. No wonder you have so many struggles with church/the bible/religion, etc. Blessing to you!

  • http://terrybreathinggrace.wordpress.com terry@breathing grace

    Yes, EE, we agree completely. I agree that true holiness is embodied first by a compassionate love for the lost, hurting, and vulnerable.

    Being one thoroughly disguted with the onslaught of “christian celebrities”, I would have to agree with you that these things have little to do with rue holiness.

    I think for me, this is the thing: To be able to grow in holiness we have to be willing to increasingly disregard our preferences for the sake of God first, and then others. Without fail, I have found that the more attention I pay to what I want, the less I care about what others need. When the opposite dynamic is in effect, not only do I exhibit more compassion, but also more personal and moral holiness.

    The problem of course, is that living intentionally is very. hard. work.

  • R- N-

    I too was raised as a PK, although in a very different environment then what you experienced. Our parents really shielded us from the expectations of church members. They also never talked church business in front of us. The funny thing is, my sisters and I all married PKs, who also had more positive upbringings then you experienced. Not to say I didn’t see others that had it bad, I did, especially at church conferences. It just made me more grateful to my parents as we got older.

  • http://www.mujermaravilla.blogspot.com spookyrach

    I think maddie and I may have had the same parents…

    I am almost 40 and spent my entire life so far as a PK. It has been a wonderful experience for me, but only because my parents were highly aware of the situations like the one you grew up in. They worked hard and sacrificed their careers in order for my brother and I to have as normal a childhood as possible. As a result we basked in the positive attention of small country church congregations and were able to avoid the worst of the churchiness.

    That’s not to say there weren’t some really bad moments in the whole experience. Growing up a PK gave me a totally skewed outlook on life and religion. But I wouldn’t trade it for anything.

    I never could do the salvation in 60 seconds thing, but to this day I still rock the Insincerely Sincere Public Prayer. Oh, yeah.

    And I’ll never forget my mother’s “If I have to go to WMU, you have to go to GA’s” speeches… ha!

  • http://sevenlittleaustralians.blogspot.com/ Erin

    I have often thought the Church is wise in priestly celibacy for exactly the reason’s you share. My aunt used to work for DOCS (Child Services)and she shared that she was astounded of the amount of PKs who were roaming the streets in our town!! Very, very sad{{}}
    Great to hear there are some positive experiences though.

  • frogla

    **this is exactly how my husband feels about his cult: leaving god & family “Even though I often dreamed about escape, we were taught that leaving our church was equal to leaving God. For me, leaving our church also meant leaving my family. And for how sick and crazy we were, I just couldn’t imagine leaving them.”

    **omgosh this explains alot with myself and with my husband. “I got sick all the time. For awhile, nobody could figure out what was wrong with me”

    **I have never thought about this and i grew up catholic. i would DEF put this in the pro column for the catholic church. “SIDEBAR: for all the naysaying against priestly celibacy, I actually see the celibacy requirement as pro-family and pro-child since it frees the married men to be devoted husbands and fathers. The priest is also freed to serve his congregation with undivided attention. In other words, nobody neglects their children to serve God. Just a thought from my obviously biased perspective. :) ]

    **unfortunately, there seems to be more of a concern with doctrine than that with ppl. i mean your point of observing the pastor’s family is so spot on it couldn’t be any clearer than mud. lol

    **thanks for sharing your story EE! i was wondering cuz i still do do you still struggle with “the stress of needing to live a holy life (to please God) plus the stress of needing to look like I was living a holy life (to please others and make the ministry look good) was exhausting.” does that ever do away or is that the “thorn in the flesh” so to speak.

    **i was not a pk & didn’t really know any cuz we grew up catholic. when i was saved @ the tender age of 18ish, i began to explore other churches like the evangelical free. big mistake for me. there i did meet pk’s and they were as you described white washed covering a tombs. but i didn’t have the wisdom, experience, or insight to see underneath that they were much like you but not to your extreme.

    **i was disgusted with their attitudes, pious prideful self absorbed behavor tho. i had enuf of my identity in christ revealed to me to know that what i saw in most of these free evan ppl was not freedom in christ but was legalism. i did swallow some of their garbage but hey, we all need a contrast so that was my “legalism” season. didn’t last long. i

    **too many of these free evan “church” ppl were bothered by my questioning/s, unrest with their rules and regulations, & etc. so God in His awesomeness led me to grace, new covenant, & it’s finished teaching. the more that i took in the truth of the God & His word the less i was interested in their system of legalism, cult like behavior. i left that church and moved on.

    **i know that what you say isn’t easy stuff trust me i know but it is who we are and i’m not ashamed of it i’m just still searching for answers, truth, & etc. thnx EE you are the BEST!!

  • KatR

    One other thing I wanted to add, it always gets me how my cult held itself up as special, chosen, etc. But the more I hear about other religous cults, the more similarities come out. It was considered an honor to “serve” those in leadership. When I was a nanny my attitude was that the less the minister and his wife had to worry about in the home, the more they could “serve God”.

    You can imagine how this played out living with his wife the perfectionist. Nothing I did was ever good enough, therefore, God was never happy with me.

  • http://thefauxmartha.blogspot.com amber

    Can I just say how much I love and appreciate you and your writings?

  • Nina

    Fantastic. Thank you for more glimpses into your life. I loved the second to last paragraph.

    “….Bigger. Holier. More Radical than You…..” Why ARE we so prone to this seduction? And is it just the Americans?

    Thanks again. God bless.

  • http://preparationmeetingopportunity.wordpress.com/ Christy

    EE,
    I guess I should just be grateful that my preacher father retired from the ministry young (in his late 30′s) and became a cemetary lot salesman. He had lots of time to devote to his studies, and to us. I’m not sure why he did it, but my parents always assured me that it was the best decision and they felt that it was what God wanted for them.
    My parents really had no clue when it came to our fundamentalist group. They were so sincerely devoted to Christ, but didn’t feel that they had to fit the mold, for the most part. I think I’m going to have to blog about my mother’s reaction to the “parenting” classes that came into town a few times during our tenure as children in the fundie group.
    I wish you all the love, joy, and health in raising an unconditional and unconventional family!
    ~Christy

  • tanya

    ee-
    Have you read David Currie’s “Born Fundamentalist Born Again Catholic”. He’s the child of Moody Bible Institute professors. I don’t think they were of the same strain of fundamentalist as your background, but you will find some common themes. He wrote the book as a way to explain his journey to his family. I highly recommend it.

  • Karen

    As always, thank you so much for every dig-deep-in-the-gut word you put on this page in front of me. I learn so much from you…

    And as a cradle Catholic, your perspective shines incredible light on topics I’ve not thought about in years, or ever.

    I very much look forward to reading more and more from you.

    Karen

  • Margaret

    It is so interesting to me–the bits and pieces you describe of the function of the church are *so* like our cult experience. Right down to scrubbing toilets for the beloved ‘servant’ leadership.

    I don’t think your perspective on the priesthood is biased at all. It’s Biblical (and here I am a Protestant saying that. :p) Paul specifically lays out the benefits of single, celibate service to God, his reasoning being that those who are married naturally care about the well being of the family they’ve created and thus cannot fully focus on “God’s work” because part of “God’s work” is doing right by their family.

  • http://tw-us.blogspot.com Mary

    We tried to make our childrens’ lives as normal and ordinary as possible to make up for the “stigma” of being preacher’s kids (they went to public school, our schools here are decent, went to dances, were involved in activities, were friends with the neighborhood children, watched tv and movies, read books, etc.) and I think it helped.

    Yes, there is certainly a place for single people serving God: Lillian Trasher and Corrie Ten Boom come to mind right off the top of my head. I just don’t think it is a good thing to make celibacy a requirement. This should be between a minister and God. I think you run into a lot of problems when you make it a requirement.

    The first church we pastored made problems for us with family time (we started that church in our home) — demanding access to us 24/7 (one of them was angry that we locked our doors, as she wanted to be able to walk into our home without even having to knock and told us so) and then accusing us of not having enough time with our children. We left that church while our children were still little, I don’t think they remember it. The people would come over to our house just as we had put our children in bed and yell at us within our children’s hearing. Not a good situation.

    Having children was not the problem. The people were the problem. I’m glad we left that church. We have not had problems like that again, and that was 15 years ago. You can’t let problem people like that run your life. These are abusive people, who will tell you how to raise your kids, etc.

    The same woman who wanted us to leave our doors unlocked also demanded that we take our children to the county fair, which we didn’t want to do. My husband worked a secular job during the day, so the only time we could take them was at night, when things got raunchy, so we decided not to go. This woman chastised us soundly and handed us $30 and ordered us to take our kids to the fair!!! We declined her offer.

    Thank God we’ve never had people like that again.

    Again, spouses and children are not the problem: abusive and overly-demanding people (and a pastor who has not learned to say no) are the problem.

  • http://tw-us.blogspot.com Mary

    And I wanted to add that single people/pastors can be abused by overly-demanding and abusive people, too. Single people, too, need time to themselves and time to study the Bible and be alone with God.

    Sometimes allowing people to demand too much of our time and attention can stroke our egos (“I’m so important the people want me 24/7 and I don’t have a minute to myself!) in a way we don’t even realize, causing us to neglect our families, and this can happen to anybody, not just to ministers, but business people, too.

    Today, we get our feeling of important by how busy we are (“Oh, look, he/she is so busy — they must really be important!).

    We all feel we must be *busy* to justify our existance, to be important, or worthy. A blight of modern society. As Christians, we should reject this mentality and not fill our lives up with meaningless activity, neglecting God, our families, and ourselves, just to feel worthy or important.

  • http://tw-us.blogspot.com Mary

    I’ve been in churches where the pastor’s family was “the royal family.” This is awful. It is cult-like.

  • Deborah L

    A dark cloud is hanging over me today. I am sad and confused. And, obviously, very, very naive. I grew up in a fundamental household. (I don’t agree with everything I was taught – I mean, I wasn’t allowed to “move to music” in any form at school because it might be too close to dancing.) :) I attend an evangelical church now as an adult. What I’m finding difficult with these discussions is the fact that fundamentalism has turned into something synonymous with radicalism, extremism and downright nastiness. (And, from people’s experiences, I can see why.)I am sickened to find out that so many fundamentalist churches act like this and it really, really hurts. I’m just wondering if this form of radicalism is more American than Canadian? (Hope this isn’t insulting – I’m just truly wondering.) Or, am I just terribly, terribly ignorant? Almost all of the evangelical churches I’ve ever attended as an adult have been lovely – gentle, loving people with good pastors.(Obviously, there are always going to be people we disagree with.) Have I just been “lucky”? I have a co-worker who is going through grief right now. I am wanting to help her this week by taking her a meal and just showing her I care. Is she going to brush me aside because I belong to a “Fundie” church and, therefore, am a nut job? I’m not trying to be sarcastic or offensive. I just never knew that so many people had such appalling experiences with fundamentalist churches. I really think I must be living in a bubble! (SIGH…) Why, oh why do “Christians” act this way? It gives others (probably me) such a bad name. And I’m just trying to live a life pleasing to Jesus – in a gentle way…

  • Pamela

    I like that distinction: between “the appearance of radical holiness” and “actual radical holiness”.

    Here’s another distinction that’s good: there is a difference between “holiness” and “hysteria”.

  • http://www.catintheadage.blogspot.com Beth

    About a month ago we left a church. We had put up with legalism practiced by some families in the church, and had tried to counter it by reminding our children about the difference between “family rules” and “God’s rules”.

    But our son was being called out by the pastor’s children for not following the same rules they were required to follow in their family. We figured this was something that was happening because the pastor and his wife had a large family and were very busy. We kept quiet, kept working with our son on his reactions to these persecutions.

    Finally matters came to a head and my husband was called to account for our son’s terrible behavior. (Wrestling w/his friends, saying something was “stupid”, not obeying the pastor’s son…things like that.)

    The pastor finally told my husband that his children assist him in the ministry by helping other parents in their child-rearing. He said his children had pure motives in all they were doing, and if we would only get to know them better we would appreciate their help.

    Can you imagine? I’m guessing you can! It was, of course, obvious to us that we could not stay and put our children under the authority of other children. We left as other families before had left…and we realized those families probably left for similar reasons, though that was not the story we were told.

    Our son will be fine, we will not put him in that kind of situation again. We already see him changing after getting away from there. But what of the pastor’s children who can’t leave? But I do wonder what will become of kids who grow up being expected to correct their peers? Kids who are expected to be so perfect that they are carrying out their father’s ministry by admonishing adults?

    (I feel paranoid about even posting this comment. I haven’t blogged in ages because I’ve felt oppressed by these people and known they could be reading what I write.)

  • Agnes

    I grew up in conservative evangelical churches too, but thought some of the extremism was just a sign of the times (80′s). For example, the pastor’s daughter had a baby out of wedlock and had to go to the front of the church to apologise to everyone, although to be honest I think ‘everyone’ was slightly perplexed by the scene, and I’m pretty sure it would not happen now. Deborah L, I’m Canadian too, and I think the term evangelical connotates something a little less loaded for us.. correct me fellow Canadians if I’m wrong about that.. For us in our small town, there were so many first generation Europeans around that had seen truly bad things in life that they were wary of listening to anyone saying ‘I have the way, listen to ME’. My dad, who is British, used to joke, ‘oh, snacks!’ when the communion came around, and make change in the offering plate, and snore with his mouth wide open in church, for example. Yeah, not too reverent. Sure there was stuff like, ‘don’t dance, don’t go to movies, don’t play cards,’ etc. which again I think has died with the 80′s, but the truly brainwashing and abusive aspects were largely missing up North, unless they were little hidden pockets of it, which I’m sure there were/are. Just my little tin pot theory. Feel free to dispel.
    PS Can I just say one thing about home-schooling?? WHY?!! Surely school is when mommy gets a break and the kids get to break loose from mommy’s grip?? Argh. Sorry, I just don’t get it. I loved getting away from my mom, haha!!

  • http://www.ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.com Young Mom

    Being in ministry is exhausting. People pay you to be the person they want you to be, and if you let the persona slip, they attack you. My husband grew up with a workaholic Pastor dad, and now that we are in ministry he feels as though he has been someone else his entire life. Concerns for our children is just one of the reasons we are planning on getting out.

  • http://andi-horton.livejournal.com Andrea

    Deborah,

    as a Canadian I have sometimes wondered this same thing– whether these extremist pockets are not so rife up here, for whatever reason. I do know that we have some, but I also know they don’t seem to be as widespread (if nothing else, I know that for me, at least, visiting friends in Georgia and the Carolinas put things in rapidfire perspective!).

    My sister and I, now in our early-mid-twenties, both often reminisce about what a blessing our first church family was, especially our pastor, who was a funny, human, humble man just trying to follow Jesus. In fact, the only reason I know that we do have a variant of this type of fundamentalism in our area is through my sister.

    While a few of my experiences at churches after I left home were very unpleasant, and served as my own meagre, rude awakening that not everybody who claimed Christ loved like Him, my sister was not so lightly handled. She had some very damaging experiences at a cultish-Christianity-style camp (that is not how they billed themselves! It is just my assessment!) and it came as a real slap in the face to her to learn at a comparatively young age that people who professed the name of Christ could behave the way that these people did.

    Without betraying the specifics of the situation, I think it could be well summed up as one populated by people who delighted in using the admonition to “avoid the appearance of evil” as a flimsy excuse to love as little and hate as much as they could possibly get away with, all in the name of preserving their own brand of holiness.

    So . . . I guess, if you’re concerned about how she would receive you, my suggestion would be to go to your co-worker anyway. Take her the meal, and love her like Jesus does, because someday in the near or distant future it’s very possible that she’s going to come across somebody who claims to live for Him in one breath, but decries her very existence with the next. So for His sake, and for her sake, she’ll probably be glad of the chance to remember that you came to her with hot food and a warm heart first.

  • http://tw-us.blogspot.com Mary

    That’s awful…what arrogance.

  • http://authorette-nouveau.blogspot.com/ Jenna Pope

    I was married for 23 years to a deacon in a fundamentalist evangelical nondenominational church. If there ever were dead men’s bones walking around, it was our family. My husband was an extreme hoarder (like the ones on TV), wanted deviant sex, was borderline suicidal, and a lousy father. In my mind, I thought of church as “The God Corporation.” We are no longer married, I became a Catholic, and was married in the church to a faithful, loving man. I think that fundamentalism is abusive.

    Thank God that you survived!!!!!

    Jenna

  • http://andi-horton.livejournal.com Andrea

    Agnes, I could certainly believe that theory, about there being “pockets” of this type of extremism up here, rather than large patches . . . that would probably explain why we’re so surprised when we do come across this type of thing. It’s not so prevalent for us.

    (maybe they have more of this in other parts of Canada?? I can’t speak for the Western provinces, I’m a Maritimer, myself . . .)

  • Elizabeth Ann

    Liz,
    Funny how I just stumbled upon your blog and find our lives running so parallel. You, however, have much more self-awareness, which I admire and hope to learn through your beautiful writing.

    I have the blessing/cures of being a double PK. Both my mother and father are pastors and I have always felt the “pressure” to be a perfect Christian, ready to defend the faith at the drop of a hat. While many see pastors as the holiest people currently walking the earth, I, too, have always known them to be the ones joking at the table, driving us for pistachio ice cream, and pulling my hair while combing out the knots. In short: real people.

    But, yes, I have often felt that I play second-fiddle to God/Church when it comes to my parents. When it comes to my pastor, sure that makes sense! But when my pastor is also my mother AND my father? Where do I go?

    My panic attacks manifested themselves much later in life: not until I was in college. Right as the depression was beginning to settle into my bones. Perhaps this is because I was attending a Catholic college run by a monestary of Benedictine monks. I saw that God/Church was first in their lives, too. But that He/It was supposed to be, because they were monks who took solemn vows to make Him/It thier lives. My parents, however, made the solemn vows of “to love and to cherish,” which ultimately meant me, too, not just each other. I felt so stuck. The depression in me told me I was neglected – to an extent.

    Seeing you cope and survive gives me courage and hope that I will, too. In the meantime, I hold my new pastor’s kids in prayer. And I send the pastor home on a regular basis to be a dad (oh, the joys of being a church secretary).

    Thank you, Sister, for your words.

  • http://evenonesparrow.blogspot.com even one sparrow

    I think you make an interesting connection between a high-stress, uber-Christian environment and your sickness/panic attacks. I think this connection also goes beyond PKs. I wonder how many Christians struggle from depression and anxiety in direct relation to the standards they feel they are “supposed” to be “living up to.”

    Personally, I’ve been struggling from severe agoraphobia. Incidentally (or not), I am also in training to be a campus leader with the CCO. I’m pretty sure my fear of inadequacy to disciple others in Christ is connected to my anxiety. But it’s hard to break down because not many people speak openly of emotional issues. The underlying thought is: Aren’t we “supposed” to be free of these things if we are Christian? How can you lead if you are still battling depression/anxiety? There is so much shame connected to these things – which are just a part of being human, being real, and being sensitive.

    My approach is to remain unashamed – to boast in my weakness – in order to gain support from my Christian community, and to one day pass on hope to others who may be dealing with the same issues.

    Anyways, thanks again for your posts. You always make me think. :)

  • http://becoming-becoming.blogspot.com/ heather

    You make a very good point when you say, “I have a theory that if concerned people observed the children (and overwhelmed mothers) living in these groups, they’d gain a different perspective than they would by listening to the pastor’s sermon.” You make many good points in this post, but this one really stood out to me. It is a very good point.

    I have, so many times, seen very sad families behind a supposedly “Godly man.” And I have seen some pretty solid families being raised by men who don’t measure up to some church elders or pastors ideal and who are treated as less than solid men because they don’t play by some set of skewed fundamental rules. There are plenty of wonderful churches and leaders out there, but in regard to the ones that aren’t so wonderful, we have to remember that it is more important to live with integrity before God than it is to have the approval of some church or some person.

    I appreciate your honesty in your posts. I appreciate your sharing your journey.

  • Hope

    As the daughter of a fundamentalist preacher, I SO understand so many of the things you said. From the time/family aspect, “we don’t believe in panic attacks”, and so much more. More than anything I understood what you said here: “Even though I often dreamed about escape, we were taught that leaving our church was equal to leaving God.” I have been taught that since day one, and these days the pressure intensifies. I can’t bear the thought of wounding my mum, but cannot stay here. I am enjoying reading through your journey, thank you for sharing it.

  • http://hopewellmomschoolreborn.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-giveaway-big-book-of-freezer.html Lisa

    Excellent post. I grew up with the sister of a world-famous pastor who is now a regular punch-line on the late-night tv monologues. Even though the parents did NOT AT ALL expect perfection–they felt stressed all the time by the life they led. Amazingly, all the kids are still very active, passionate believers. When I read the various ATI-family blogs about “fellowshiping” and “encouraging” and “purposing” and every blessed meal is not only blessed by “YUMMY” or “Delicious” I know it must be true hell for those kids!