Housecleaning for artists, creatives, ADHD-ers and ENFPs! (and ooooh! I defy Fly Lady!)

This is my kitchen. It's not perfectly clean (no shiny sink!), but it's Good Enough Clean.

For YEARS, I have studied how other people clean their homes. I read ENTIRE BOOKS on the subject—including this massive, comprehensive tome. I subscribed to Fly Lady. I read lots of blogs by Type A personalities.

And every time I felt like a failure. Here’s why: those books and blogs are not written by artistic personalities, they’re written by good managers and organizers—which is FINE! And GOOD for them! But I’ve been trying to clean house according to THEIR personality types, instead of cleaning according to my own.

Thing is, I always assumed there was something wrong with the way an ENFP cleaned house. But there’s nothing wrong with HOW I do it, it’s just that I need to tailor the cleaning to my personality type so that the chores actually get finished.

I am a great starter! I am a horrible finisher!

A few weeks ago, I started instituting a new plan: Housecleaning For Artists!

Basically, I have tailored my housecleaning to my personality type. I’m still working out the kinks and details, but I am super excited about these little discoveries that are actually working for me!

Housecleaning for Artists, Creatives, ADHD-ers and ENFPs!

  1. Make it fun! I can’t clean unless I’ve layered the work with inspirational experiences like learning a new language (I listen to Spanish radio while cleaning!) or engaging a relationship. So, I clean to music, fold laundry while watching TV, empty the dishwasher while talking on the phone with a friend. I compose poetry while sweeping floors, iron while listening to talk radio or an audio book.  It makes me feel like I’m packing a whole lot of life into my day.
  2. Clean Before Creating. I am usually blind to the messes around me. I literally DON’T see them. I used to think this was a moral issue (cleanliness next to godliness, right?). However, this is not a moral issue. My personality type prioritizes relationships and experiences–not folding laundry. Alas, the laundry will not clean itself. Secondarily, I’ve discovered that it’s logistically difficult to create in the midst of clutter–NOT because I feel that clutter/mess is morally wrong but because stuff gets broken (knocking over glasses in messy kitchen), I step on things (Legos!) and it messes up my inspirational groove. So, my motivation for cleaning is not MORAL but creative: a.) it enhances my family life and b.) it enhances my productive creativity.
  3. Timer! As an ENFP, I will get depressed and desperate if the cleaning tasks seem never-ending. I never do one task for more than 15 minute increments. I NEED to switch tasks every 15 minutes otherwise I get bored and the quality of my cleaning suffers.
  4. Avoid hyperfocus (this is where I defy Fly Lady!). Fly Lady says to clean your kitchen sink first. I’m sure this works for other people, but it doesn’t work for me. As an ADHD/ENFP, I already have issues with hyperfocus. I am a multi-tasking cleaner and can accomplish a lot in a short period of time if my parameters are a little larger. So, I do 15 minutes on the whole kitchen. Sure, my sink isn’t shiny, but my entire kitchen is generally picked up. Frankly, I don’t need a shiny sink. I need a just-clean-enough sink. For my personality type, general tidying is far superior to one, tiny, perfectly spotless sink. I apply the same principle of Good Enough Cleaning to other areas of the house.
  5. Daily spot clean, weekly deep clean. I simply CANNOT stick to a schedule. Routinization kills me. Charts and lists are too much pressure and make me panic. Instead of working my way through the house methodically, I simply do the task most needed on any particular day. Of course, dishes and sweeping are daily chores so I do those first (15 minutes!) and then add one or two more tasks based on what needs doing that day. Once a week the entire family pitches in for a weekly deep clean.

What do you think? Do you like my new Personality-Based Cleaning method? :)

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  • http://twitter.com/jasouders Jessica Souders

    I’ve just bookmarked this post! This was the most sane thing I’ve heard about cleaning in the longest time and I’m pretty sure I can do this one.  :D  

  • http://humbled-pie.blogspot.com/ Kari

    This is FANTASTIC!

    And so timely for me!

    Yay!

    (I also always feel like such a housekeeping failure!)

  • Anonymous

    YAY! Remember, it’s not a moral imperative. It’s an ARTISTIC ENHANCEMENT! :D yippeee!

  • Rushiawallace

    are you kidding me!? i LOVE it! no wonder i’ve been frustrated trying to ‘clean’ the proper way as well. I’m an ENFP-er too. i’m also prone to hyper focusing or having zero focus and being all over the place. i’m a woman of extremes it seems. so when ya writing a book? ;)

  • Alysa

    THANK YOU!!!  I don’t know what I am in that list (not sure how creative or artistic I am…lol), but I relate to a bunch of this and it’s helpful!!  I really needed someone to step up to bat for me and explain why I’m simply horrible at housekeeping…and I’m (mostly) a stay-at-home mom who should have this down.  Ugh.  Thank you though, seriously.  Thank you!  :)

  • Jess

    Oh my God, I love you.  I’m an ADHD/ENFP as well!  This is exactly how I clean house, and it drives my type A hubby nuts.

    Thanks for making me and my creative madness feel validated.

    Jess

  • Mandy

    Yeppers! Flylady and myself just do not see eye to eye! ;-)

  • Mandy

    Yeppers! Flylady and myself just do not see eye to eye! ;-)

  • Denise

    yay! I definitely am with you on the clutter stifling creativity thing. I can’t think with clutter around.
    I tried Flylady a few times myself, and I couldn’t deal with the shoes in the house thing, lol! I do see her point—that if you have no starting place (like the sink) that you can try to keep neat, chores can be overwhelming. I know it is much easier for me to try and KEEP something under control than to let it go and try to reign it back in.

  • Denise

    yay! I definitely am with you on the clutter stifling creativity thing. I can’t think with clutter around.
    I tried Flylady a few times myself, and I couldn’t deal with the shoes in the house thing, lol! I do see her point—that if you have no starting place (like the sink) that you can try to keep neat, chores can be overwhelming. I know it is much easier for me to try and KEEP something under control than to let it go and try to reign it back in.

  • http://twitter.com/BlessTheseHands Elizabeth

    YAY! I’m not alone. Also an ENFP and I’ve tried explaining that I just do not see messes my entire life. I remember getting in trouble as a kid and being told what a horrible person I am because I was such a slob.  Stuff like that is just not on my radar and it drives hubby (INTJ) mad. I don’t purposely ignore things, I don’t make a mess on purpose, I JUST DON’T NOTICE! :D  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1066880835 Mary Beth Lindner Moore

    I’m an INTP but a creative type, so this is really how I operate. I *might* be able to force myself to do some huge task start to finish, but it’s rare.  I like to have a whole day at home to wander from task to task, doing a little here and a little there. And, oh! yes, some sort of non-housecleaning activity too (Facebook, email, art project, etc.), and then back to cleaning. Talking on the phone is about the only thing that gets me through a chore without really laboring through it.  I don’t even notice I’ve done it, actually, which is great. If I can talk out loud to myself, like in prayer or in thinking through a problem, that gets me through, too. It’s all about distracting myself through the work.

    I do keep a vague schedule in my head on what needs to be done what day, but I don’t freak out if I don’t get to it. After all, is the work going anywhere? No, it will be waiting for me to get around to it.
     
    The only time I like lists for housework is when I have a big party planned or some other type of activity at the house. Then I have the list to help me stay as focused as possible. It also gives me the impetus to actually get stuff done! (You know, the whole “lighting a fire under my butt” thing.)

  • http://remnantofremnant.blogspot.com P’s W

    I like this! but for me, a ‘shiny’ sink means that the dishes are more done than not and I won’t feel depressed in the morning with sticky stuff and ants (by the way- I don’t do the dishes the 11 and 12 year olds trade off)

  • Lara

    Yes, thank you!!!!!  I am an ENFP too and my house always gets away from me.  I find that I spontaneously clean when I’m on the phone and I love folding laundry while watching a show on Hulu.  And no I’m not gonna skip a play-date because it happens to be laundry day.   Hugs to you!!

  • elledee

    I am INFJ, but a creative type.  The stepping on legos made me laugh because I’m notorious for starting a project in the midst of a trainwreck and completing injuring myself or ruining my project because I didn’t clear space before I got started.

    The This American Life app has saved me.  I probably listen to at least 3 episodes a week doing stuff around the house.  I can’t bring myself to do anything for more than 10 minutes without it.

  • Tara S

    Angels are singing!! Huzzah! 

    I keep trying to make a rigid meal plan and cleaning schedule, and after a few days it drives me into a near-depressive state.  I find the only things that work are (1) one-off to-do lists, and (2) cultivating a general awareness of the fact that mess accumulates and food needs to be made.  If this is always in the back of my mind, I get better at keeping on top of it.  

    My ‘household symphony’ is definitely more like jazz than Mozart.  

  • Misty Mornings

    simply  *yes*.  

  • Alysa

    I’m seeing a lot of initials and honestly, I’m not quite sure what they all stand for.  What exactly is an ENFP and an INFJ, etc?  And, how do I find out which one I am?  :)

  • Tara S

    What is it about the phone thing?  I generally HATE talking on the phone, but I love being on the phone when it’s time to wander around and clean up.  We should get headsets and belt-clips, to have both hands free.

  • P’s W

    and EE, this is me- but I am definetely NOT an extrovert- can an introvert need this ‘cleaning plan’….

  • Anonymous

    Of COURSE! the key here is not so much extroverted/introverted, but creatively minded, tending toward procrastination, daydreamer, artist, ADD, easily distractible! :D

  • Anonymous

    these initials have to do with Myers-Briggs personality profiles. Here’s a basic overview: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/

  • Anonymous

    I’ve had to tell my husband to back off. He cleans differently than I do. There is NO RIGHT WAY to clean. As long as it gets done, it doesn’t matter HOW. We now mutually respect each other’s styles. I totally don’t understand his systematic little methodologies, but I respect that they work for him! :D

  • Anonymous

    I hate shoes with a passion. the first thing I do is take them off. i’ve broken and stubbed my toes more times than i can count, but i cannot DEAL with keeping shoes on all day. Thank you, ADHD!

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome!

  • Elisabeth Kaizer

    I think this is amazing! I have a hard time keeping my sink shiny and I’ve tried charts and I do stick to them for awhile, but very soon they don’t get crossed off and then they depress me.  And I’m not an ENFP I’m an ISTJ/sometimes not judging depending. This is a much better idea then flylady!

  • http://blog.amberlbaker.com Amber Baker

    Oh wow, I so love thi. 

  • Heather

    Oh my goodness. We are the same person.

  • Heather

    Yes. I am an INFP, if I remember correctly, and I do almost every thing EE listed. The things I don’t do are things I have considered doing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1664722259 Debra Neufeld

    Yes!  I have a long distance friend and we sometimes talk for an hour or two on the phone.  Perfect time for cleaning!

  • Tara S

    Oh true!  My husband and I can do laundry together, but that’s IT.  Otherwise we help each other by going away and cleaning something else on the other side of the house…

  • http://sortacrunchy.net SortaCrunchy

    ELIZABETH. YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, yes, yes. As a sister ENFP, I have stumbled upon some of these on my own but I’ve never read about someone else utilizing them. This is so exactly the way I most effectively approach cleaning. LOVE IT.

    I have to say I came across something on Pinterest last week that led me to a Clean Your House in 15-20 minutes a day where you do one task five days a week. I think I can handle that. I vacuumed the house this morning and that is it for my cleaning responsibilities today.  I also like to do a 15 house buzz after the girls are in bed simply putting things where they belong. I can handle the 15-20 minute increments, but anything more than that and it is SOUL SUCKING.

    You are so right on here, my dear.

  • http://sortacrunchy.net SortaCrunchy

    Absolutely, yes. Extra/intra version in MB deals primarily with how you respond to social stimulation. Probably the majority of types ending in P will respond well to this as the Perceiving types tend to be the ones who are easily overwhelmed by all the of the tasks involved in cleaning. Working in short bursts is much more effective for us.

  • http://velourblog.blogspot.com Jodie_Velour

    i could KISS you for writing this for me.  (you did write this for me, right?)  :)

  • Sam

    Yes yes yes! This is super helpful to me. I am so with you on ‘not seeing’ messes. I may see them, but they don’t bother me. (Mostly because I am someone who organizes by piles. If I put something away, I will forget all about it!) I do the same things you do to keep myself going. I turn on good music for unloading/loading the dishwasher, sweeping. I will clean the bathroom while I chat on the phone. Thank you for this! You are not alone, as evidenced by your comments! 

  • http://twitter.com/MamaTashov Brannan Sirratt

    Oh, oh, oh..I think I need to try this. INTP here with ADHD/artsy tendencies. FlyLady kills me. I never thought about the shiny sink as being hyperfocus but you are so right!

  • MomRedeemed

    I’ve been reading your blog for awhile, but this is my 1st comment.  I’m truly inspired & you’ve given me hope!  Thanks to your tips, I can now start to clean my very cluttered home with joy.  As a single mom of 2 small boys it’s an overwhelming task.  Growing up with a Cinderella-like step-mom I’m wounded in the wanting to clean area.  Also being creative, but a INFP, I understand where you’re coming from.

  • Anonymous

    yes, I *did* write this for you! p.s. i love kisses! xoxoxo.

  • Anonymous

    YAYAYAY!

  • http://themommaknows.com Dawn

    I struggle SO MUCH with this, mainly because I get sidetracked so easily!  I too am an IDFL (I Defy Fly Lady-er LOL) She sounds great, but I cannot keep up with her EMAILS, never mind her cleaning schedule. I haven’t figured this thing out yet but like you, I can do 15 minute increments one after another in different areas and tend to get a lot done that way. I think your ‘method’ sounds brilliant! :)

  • Oliviasanders08

    I am an ENFP and your post about how ENFP’s clean house DESCRIBES. MY. LIFE. So glad you identify!!! ;-)

  • Handsfull

    Another shoe-hater over here!  I do wear them when I go out, but as soon as I’m home, the shoes come off!  Living in the country where there can be all sorts on the ground, it’s actually not very hygienic to wear shoes inside.  I spend a lot of time telling my kids to take their shoes OFF when they come inside!

  • http://www.likeawarmcupofcoffee.com Sarah Mae

    Happy clapping! Love it! 

  • Sarah in GA

    i have no idea what my personality type is. and i don’t think i am an artist. but – i am not that organized and i also hold to the “clean enough” policy. i feel like things are generally under control when my kitchen and living room are clean enough at the end of the day. one thing that has really been helpful for me is to keep our living room tidy. my friends always say how clean my house is, but really it is the illusion they get when they walk in and see a tidy living room. (the only way i can do this is because we have a play room and the kids have to keep their toys in there or in their room.)

    also, shoes in the house is disgusting. we follow the european custom and always remove our shoes at the door. keeps the dirt and germs out.

  • http://sue-livingandlearning.blogspot.com/ Sue in Japan

    I’m an ESFP, and I was nodding vigorously through most of this, too!  Fly Lady makes me break out in hives (OK, not really, but it feels like it), and not only because of the whole shoes in the house thing (yuck!).  I don’t have the problem (benefit?!) of not seeing messes, but that might just be because I grew up with a mom who kept our home immaculate (yet, warm and inviting) – and made it look easy (which is the most frustrating part!).  

    Please excuse my over use of parentheses.  This topic made me very excited.  I’m not alone!!!

  • Anna

    I have that massive tome, too! My husband wrote a nice note in the front reminding me that it was MY gift idea, not his. :)  

  • Cori

    I’m seeing a common denominator — “P”! I’m an INTP, and completely relate to everything you said here. I understand Flylady, too, but I’ve never been able to get her system. Thanks for this!!

  • Anonymous

    i got overwhelmed by FlyLady’s barrage of emails. I hated having someone bark at me:” 20 minutes on ____________(fill in the blank) NOW!” The constant stream of emails made me always feel like i was falling behind. and then i realized: i’m only falling behind because i’m trying to keep up with HER schedule! ha!!!

    shoes in the house! YUCK! germs, dirt and mud stop at my front door. we NEVER wear shoes in the house.

  • Anonymous

    i bought the book for myself b/c i wanted to be a “good wife.” that book drove me to near psychotic states of panic and feeling NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

  • http://thepartythatneverquits.blogspot.com Jen

    My hubs is an ISFJ, and I had to tell him to please stop coming home and telling me I’d “cleaned the wrong thing”, and just be grateful I’d leaned something. He has now learned (sort of) to look and see if I’ve cleaned a bookshelf, or a bathroom, or a cupboard before commenting on “what I did today”. Ha, that just reminded me. He actually doesn’t do the stereotypical “what did you get done today” line… He asks “did you have a bad day today?” which is just as condescending, but he tries, right? ;)

  • http://faithandfood.morizot.net/ Scott Morizot

    When I clean (or do yard work) I typically listen to podcasts.

    My work often looks like what you describe. If I focus too much on one thing, I tend to spin in circles.

    Today, for instance, I worked out an initial configuration for a device, explained (with examples) the issues with a contractor proposal in DNSSEC, worked through some process issues with a security review, wrote a few scripts, helped plan a conference call on IPv6, a few other incidental things, and most of the day listened to the audio of a technical workshop in the background.

    That’s how I “organize” most of my work days. And each week I tend to accomplish more than most people do, though people look at the way I work and wonder how.

  • Lynne

    I’m an INFP and I totally relate to this. I literally do not see mess, which my ESTJ husband finds incomprehensible. I cannot do any routine task for very long without going stir crazy with boredom.

  • Elizabeth

    Oh. my. goodness.  You crack me up.  But, speaking as an INTJ, we could never be roommates!  ;-)

  • http://notfinishedyet.wordpress.com/ Emily

    LOL!  I have no idea what personality type I am, but this sounds suspiciously like me.  I never thought of organizing-type books being written in light of the author’s organizational style, but that makes a lot of sense.  I, too, have found that talking on the phone while working – or playing music loudly, or listening to sermons online – makes my mundane tasks much easier.  I just CANNOT do a mundane task on its own, unless I’m under time pressure.

    Thanks for posting this!

  • Momma in Progress

    Love your perspective on this. Although I must admit I enjoy a good checklist . . . writing it down helps me to free up brain space for other, more important things. Several friends use and recommend Fly Lady. I couldn’t get past the shoe thing. Plus, with three kids 5 and under my kitchen sink’s shininess is pretty low on my priority list. Sometimes I wish I were more organized, like the type A bloggers, and in the past I have tried to fit myself into this mold (I even wrote about a dozen posts on it . . . each one more neurotic than the last) but alas, I’m just not that into it. If the clutter is reasonably under control, we aren’t overrun by ants, and the kids are dressed and fed, woo hoo! Success!

  • http://kathyfannon.blogspot.com Kathy Fannon

    Thank you! It’s good to know I’m not the only one who can’t focus on cleaning. For years I beat myself up trying to clean once a week, but I just can’t. Love this!

  • http://www.joyinthisjourney.com Joy in this Journey

    I love this post so much. Also, I need to clean the boys’ room this afternoon. You available to chat? :)

  • KatR

    I truly hate housework (and YES! surprise! it has to do with the abusive church! Cleaning the ministers house top to bottom every week, anyone?). I find that the best way for me to do it (when I do it) is to try and find a movie or show I like on commercial television. During the commercials, clean.

    Also, the show “Hoarders” helps alot. :)

  • tanya@truthinweakness

    INFJ here, but i’m thinkin’ — who CAN’T relate to this? and i had to laugh when you mentioned the fly lady b/c i had a good friend go on & on about how great she is, so i went to the web site. and i immediately knew that she & i wouldn’t get along very well. hehe. pressure & expectations just don’t seem to motivate me; in fact, i tend to run away from them. (and similar to your experience, the sink thing was what sealed the deal for my knowing that it wasn’t for me.) and as a relational type, myself, i’m coming to grips w/ the fact that a clean house is pretty much overrated. so if i could just get my house to that “good enough” state, i’d be doing well. but in the meantime, i figure it’s an opportunity to be real — & to give others permission to be human, too. thx for sharing!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1066880835 Mary Beth Lindner Moore

    You’re totally right! I normally don’t like talking on the phone either, but it’s somehow okay if I can be cleaning at the same time. I definitely need to get the stuff to be hands-free.

  • http://www.hotdogsandgrilledcheese.blogspot.com/ Ashley

    I love this…as a SAHM people assume my house should always be spotless. Um, no.
    There are three little people here ALL DAY… It is “picked up” at the end of the day but it is RARELY “Fly LAdy” clean…especially the sink…

  • maryanne

    Great ideas; thanks!! When cleaning overwhelms me (which is, like, everyday!) I follow the 15min rule and also have invented the “5 things” rule: just put away 5 things (in messy room, dishwasher, laundry pile etc.) After 5 I usually feel like I can do more but allow myself to stop there if needed.  The hardest part for me is just getting started and this seems to help. 

  • Handsfull

    I have no idea what you just said!  What on earth is a DNSSEC?  Lol…

  • Kavalier1228

    I’m INFJ too. Be J, I like organization but only when I feel like it or out of necessary. I noticed that anyone with N, P, or F in their Myers-briggs profile seems to relate to this. I’m  a lot like this list :P   

  • Emily

    This is wonderfully affirming.  Thank you!!!

  • http://evenonesparrow.blogspot.com even one sparrow

    Such an interesting insight!  It’s oh-so-important for each person to embrace the personality given to them by God, and then figure out how to tap into that personality to get things done. 

    I enjoy cleaning while listening to Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me or This American Life. :)  And I think I tend to look at cleaning as a creation of space — as I clean, I am creating the type of environment in which I want to exist.  To me, it’s almost like … creating the right environment on the stage, except in this case, the stage is our home. :)

  • Pam Elmore

    I’m an INFP, but I relate to every word. Thanks for the ideas!

  • http://www.downtoearthwomen.blogspot.com Tracey

    So TRUE for me! Cleaning is so much easier for me when I have someone to visit with or I can listen to talk radio or watch TV while folding laundry…yes yes yes. I too, have been trying to use the structure of Flylady and you know what I end up doing, when it’s the week for the kitchen, I ignore it because I hate the kitchen. My motivation for cleaning areas DEFINETLY are so that I can be creative more than so the house can be cleaned. 

  • http://blog.amberlbaker.com Amber Baker

    So what we’re all saying is that we need to teleconference our cleaning

  • Tara S

    I always blame my lack of maids.  I’d be a GREAT housekeeper if I only had a housemaid and a scullery maid.  Remember, peasants without servants always had (a) less space to clean, (b) less stuff to keep organized, and (c) probably more dirt in various places.  I have no servants, so I only aspire to sort-of-clean peasant standards.  

  • http://annkroeker.com Ann Kroeker

    Yes, yes, yes. Housecleaning for Artists…Cleaning for Creatives. Good stuff. Excuse me, now, as I set the timer and clear my desk. I can barely see the keyboard…

  • http://www.mamamonk.com Micha @ Mama:Monk

    Oh my gosh, Elizabeth, I love this. (By the way, it’s my first time to post a comment though I’m a faithful lurker.)

    I’m an ENFP and understand everything you just said about housework. So I just made my first attempt at the 15 minutes of cleaning the kitchen. Genius! At one point my baby started crying and I picked him up and kept cleaning one handed. Because, seriously baby, I only have 15 minutes!

    Thanks. :)

  • http://www.redeemingthetable.com Kamille

    although ENFJ here, my J is not really about organizing & logistics in the manner of keeping “things” in order.  I relate to the 15 minute chunks & doing chores while watching TV, listening to music, or composing the next blog post in my head.  I also completely relate to needing a clean surface for more creativity.  I love creating new recipes & having a clean kitchen canvas inspires so much more, than if it is dirty.  Like your style EE

  • http://WhimsySmitten.blogspot.com Cara @ WhimsySmitten

    I LOVE this!  Thanks for speaking to those of us for whom nothing else works.  I found the same secret, that creating a relational, artistic, or educational experience while cleaning inspired me and I could get lost in the work.  My favorite thing in the world is to listen to audiobooks while cleaning the kitchen or indulge in a movie while folding the laundry (or asking my husband to give me a hand and chatting while we work together). 

    I’m a decorator, so if I find some way to incorporate decorating or refreshing the decor with major projects, then its a way for me to get the major organizational and cleaning tasks tackled.  (Great way to do seasonal cleaning, I’ve found).

  • http://www.myronette.com myronette

    I love it. I’m so bad at keeping up with the cleaning…and I too, am not very good at finishing. it’s so boring! I just might have to print your list and post it in the kitchen! :)

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  • Andrea

    Finally! I am an artist/creative/ENFP… FlyLady did not work, nor did any of the other get-your-house-in-order methods that I’ve tried.  This… THIS I can do. Just brilliant. Thank you, thank you!!